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peroni
3:49 Tue Feb 2
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I'll take that bet mashed - the referendum will happen.
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mashed in maryland
3:50 Tue Feb 2
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Even if it does happen and 100% of the British public vote "no" then we still won't leave.
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Hani
3:51 Tue Feb 2
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You should place the bet on Betfair Exchange Mashed I would take that bet as would loads of other people. Cameron can't go back on it now, he might wait and push it for 2017 or September but he won't go back on it.
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mallard
3:55 Tue Feb 2
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It will be interesting to see what the turnout will be
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Prometheus50
3:56 Tue Feb 2
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I think the UK will vote to leave and will do so by a comfortable margin I also think any EU attempt to stitch up a second referendum to get the 'correct result' will backfire and produce an even bigger majority
The EU has spent the last few years being exposed for grotesque incompetence and mismanagement of taxpayers money without any tangible benefits to Europe's people The only weapon the INs have is threats, bullying and fear from the Pro EU political elite and their allies in big business But big business will operate in whatever environment offers them the best return and I rather think the UK can manage itself better than the anti business bureaucrats in Brussels
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Lee Trundle
4:00 Tue Feb 2
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The stories about immigrants coming over and misbehaving (this week they bashed up pensioners on a train in Munich for sticking up for a woman they man handled) will only increase.
I can't see many, if any, good news stories coming out to support staying in the EU over the next year or so.
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Prometheus50
4:01 Tue Feb 2
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http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/02/draft-eu-deal-five-things-you-need-to-know/
This piece from the Spectator is worth a read as are the comments below the main article
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Hani
4:04 Tue Feb 2
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The Stay lot will use scare tactics about Terrorism,economy,break up of union,and so on. People in UK are scared of change, so I can't see the leave EU winning this vote, unless Cameron changes his mind and decides to ask people to vote to leave.
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The Kronic
4:11 Tue Feb 2
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Did anyone genuinely believe that pitifully weak mincey toff cunt would ever mange a decent deal?
I'm swaying towards voting for us to leave but still want the whole, non biased, facts before deciding.
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Mike Oxsaw
4:15 Tue Feb 2
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Parliament and the senior figures in Whitehall will blackmail the mass media into spinning "In is best" for all it's worth - after all, it's THEIR gravy train at risk here, fuck what's best for the country.
There's already clear evidence of these sly shenanigans occurring (see Brady's pathetic "football in peril if we leave" claim, for one).
If YOU are planning to vote to stay in, pray tell the rest of us why. If you share your reasoning you may just sway the day, however, if you think you're doing your "patriotic duty", you've already been suckered in, and, no doubt, too embarrassed at that fact to publicly argue your case at all.
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BRANDED
4:15 Tue Feb 2
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Kronic.
You kind of know what you'll get if you stay in.
If you leave you have no idea yet.
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Hermit Road
4:16 Tue Feb 2
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He never intended to cut a deal. The whole thing is smoke and mirrors, it always is with the EU. They are a fundamentally corrupt and undemocratic body and Cameron is sunk to the nuts in it.
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threesixty
4:25 Tue Feb 2
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Normally I'm "on it" politically but with this one I really don't know what to say.
I think we will vote to stay in because most people view Europe as part of their lives in terms of travel and employment and wouldn't want any suggestion of that changing.
The suggestion that you would have to do any paper work to drive to France or holiday in Croatia is just not going to fly. We are just two integrated mentally.
Yes we pay too much. Yes the Euro MP's are a waste of space etc.. But throwing out the baby with the bath water seems a bit crazy.
The migrant issue has come at exactly the right time for Cameron and he will get his agreement to limit migration. That's pretty the most important part of this.
Other than that, it's as you were. We've called the EU's bluff and theyre a little worried. But I really cant believe the country will vote to come out of Europe. Unless your some raving ukipper...
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threesixty
4:26 Tue Feb 2
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actually I do know what to say and just said it...
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Prometheus50
4:26 Tue Feb 2
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Branded
If you vote to Stay In, you will get no reform at all, you will continued to be mired in a poorly performing economic zone that specializes in anti business, job destructive red tape and a fast track towards a Federal Republic of Europe which will be willingly entered into by the political elite and enacted as much as possible without asking the people permission to do so
If you vote to leave, you regain power for your own elected parliament who are free to set laws in accordance with their manifesto pledges and make trade agreements to the country's strengths and you retain the right to hold them accountable at each election without them having a cushy tax free job in Brussels awaiting when your political career at home fails in shame at the ballot box
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Mike Oxsaw
4:29 Tue Feb 2
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BRANDED 4:15 Tue Feb 2
What the UK public will (continue to) get if they vote to stay in"
"A select & privileged few shitting on them from a great height whilst simultaneously relieving them of the contents of their wallets in order to fund said shitting activities."
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The Kronic
4:32 Tue Feb 2
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threesixty 4:25
My understanding is that's Cameron's woeful deal will have zero effect on EU migrants moving here looking for work.
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threesixty
4:35 Tue Feb 2
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Kronic
oh... really.
mmm... I'll have a look at that one. Dont see the point of the whole vote if he cant sort that one out.
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Toe Rag
4:36 Tue Feb 2
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I can hear the sound of clanking empty vodka bottles.
I think you've woken H&P
Run...
Run before it's too late!
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mashed in maryland
4:38 Tue Feb 2
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The Kronic 4:11 Tue Feb 2
"Did anyone genuinely believe that pitifully weak mincey toff cunt would ever mange a decent deal?"
Exactly.
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mashed in maryland
4:39 Tue Feb 2
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"I think we will vote to stay in because most people view Europe as part of their lives in terms of travel and employment and wouldn't want any suggestion of that changing."
I can't see that changing.
It's not like it was a physical impossibility to fly to Ibiza or Prague before the freedom of movement act or whatever.
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